I was expecting something like a black IPA out of this kit, but I don't think that is what it was aiming for. Has a good, firm bitterness, balanced by malt sweetness, but not as much hop flavor and aroma as an IPA/CDA. Still a pretty good brew, tastes like nothing I've tried before, so worth it in that regard. This is definitely one you have to condition for awhile...at least 3 months in bottles before it's good.Ingredients were 9lb lme, 4oz maltodextrine, 2lb munich, 1lb crystal 60L, 8oz carafa II. Hop bill of 1oz magnum 90 min, 1oz cascade 60min, 2oz willamette 1 min, 1oz cascade dry-hop. OG of 1.074. Used WLP-001 in 1L starter, 62 degrees F. FG of 1.017, est ABV of 7.7% after carbing.