I've brewed the extract version of this beer many times and it's one of my favorites to keep in a keg. The extract version has a very tasty malt backbone, but not particularly hoppy. Then again, I never thought the original was that hoppy either.So after years of being lazy, I took the time to brew the all grain version. I used WLP001 with in a starter as I always do, and hit all the numbers spot on. No, it's not hoppy (but either is the real thing or the extract version, in my opinion). And it doesn't taste like the real thing (but either does the extract version). What I'm disappointed in is it doesn't have that unique malt taste like the extract version.I'd say I must have done something wrong, but another reviewer wasn't that happy with his result either. So I can't give it a great review. I'd save time and brew the extract version. It is reliable, forgiving of mistakes, consistent, and tastes great.